with a degree in the field of counseling or psychology from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to make a difference in the lives of others. let's get started at capella.edu >>> well, at 22 past the hour you know we love this. we have a really good one this morning. "forbes" is out with their new list of the world's most powerful people. joining us now from washington, "forbes" editor randall lane. joining us here in new york the editor of national memo.com back with us and harold ford is still at the table as well. >> good morning. >> so let's talk about the most powerful people in the world. i'm sure harold made the top five. >> who is on the cover? yes. and joe. >> let's talk about the methodology. >> true. >> how did you guys rank the order? >> what defines? you have spheres of power, how many different areas are they powerful in? how many people do they control? how many resources do they control -- money, oil, things like that? how do they use their power? how actively do they wield it? >> that is a powerful hat you have on. >> there you go. it's my fiscal cliff helmet dow